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Monday, 2 May 2022

Vs Guangzhou FC 30/4/22 ACL Group stage match 6

Kawasaki Frontale 1 - 0 Guangzhou FC


As it’s Golden Week at the moment and I’m on a nice trip this will just be a placeholder post which I’ll update properly when I’m back home and have some time. Although to be honest, I can’t imagine I’ll really be that excited about updating anything as this was another dire game in a pretty much completely dire ACL campaign. We’re out and we almost weren’t until the last kick of the Ulsan Johor game which was an own goal. I’ll go into more detail when I write this post properly later. But all you need to know is that we didn’t deserve to go through anyway. However, it would have been nice to get a little bit of ACL luck for once. But I probably would feel pretty embarrassed if we had done. We shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that whilst our fate was out of our hands by this final game, we still only managed to beat Guangzhou’s youth team, whose starting line-up’s lowest shirt number was 41, 1-0. At times I thought that the other result would go our way and the we’d concede a 94th minute equaliser to shoot ourselves in the foot. Instead an Ulsan defender shot himself in the foot and simultaneously did the same to us. Ulsan may be our ACL nemesis, but you can’t help but feel that the real damage is being self-inflicted. Just a few stupid points to round this pre-post post. Our starting line up contained no defenders and had only four players playing in their preferred position. So loads of shuffling of players and positions but still no-one can get a look in in goal apart from Sung-Ryong for some reason. Not saying he should be dropped but you’ve got to wonder about the morale of the other three keepers. The second half of this game was the first time in the whole tournament that the ref didn’t blow up before the allotted injury time had expired. Which is kind of typical, as at the end of the second half we were desperately trying to shield the ball by the corner flag, hanging on against a team that conceded 24 goals in six games and didn’t score a single one. Joyous stuff! Could have done with an early whistle in the Johor Ulsan game to be honest… Oh, and maybe Chantahip’s injured. Good riddance ACL and I’m sure most people connected with the competition will probably be delighted to see the back of us too.

Next up, a defeat away at Shimizu in the league probably. At least it will probably be a nice day out. Well, apart from the actual game!

Benefit of hindsight/back at home at the computer more detailed moaning about our 2022 ACL campaign


I know it’s very easy to be wise after the fact and I have the luxury of being able to moan about things and not actually take any responsibility or make any decisions about things. But let’s be honest, this was another unmitigated disaster of an ACL campaign. As the years pass it is becoming increasingly difficult to defend ourselves from the accusation of us being ACL bottlers. There are again some mitigating circumstances this year, so we could say we have excuses for being shite, (as we always seem to have…), but I’m not going to go with that. People might moan about the team winning our group basically playing six home games, the fact that due to Shanghai’s withdrawal all the groups were basically reduced to the top three teams and probably a load more excuses if we think hard enough. But I don’t accept these excuses. We messed it up and it was pretty much all of our own making. How we could draw 0-0 with and then beat 5-0 the eventual group winners in the same stadium only days apart shows up the problem pretty clearly I think. Some might say that our second string isn’t up to the job but more often than not, it was the ‘first team’ that was making a mess of games and not the reserves. Personally, I think most of the blame has to lie with Oniki. In the past I have bemoaned him for not making changes and just going with the same players and the same system till players collapse through injury or tiredness. Oniki seems to be deeply conservative at heart. It looks like he’s terrified to lose games. I would say that the root of the recent problems lies in the Cerezo defeat and its aftermath but I think the truth is that the problems have been thriving long before that match. Of course the perennial issue of not having enough defenders and always trying to convert attacking players into defensive ones instead of actually using defenders there is one that has haunted us for years. It was particularly galling to see us start this season apparently not even having considered that Jesiel wouldn’t be available for a few months. But it’s not only at the back that we’ve been trying to smash square pegs into round holes. Oniki’s system has been so rigid that instead of playing players where they are best we have instead been playing what he considers our best eleven players wherever there is space in the ultra fixed formation. Add to this that we’ve been playing what Oniki considers to be our best eleven players regardless of their horrendous form or shocking tiredness. There really is no flexibility with Oniki. Or that should say there was no flexibility with Oniki as all that was due to change after the Cerezo whalloping. When it comes to that game, let’s not forget that at least three of the four goals were directly due to a Taniguchi mistake, (who let’s not forget has been playing constantly due to international call ups and the lack of defenders that seems to almost be our trademark now). Conceding four at home and losing our long unbeaten home record seemed to finally start to rouse Oniki from his tactical inertia, seemingly ignoring the culpability of one of his players and instead worrying about us being too attacking. Incidentally, we dominated possession in that game and almost matched Cerezo for shots but couldn’t score so I’m not sure how we were being too attacking. Not taking chances is another late 2021/all of 2022 staple for us. The following game away against Jubilo was the same story where we had to rely on a very late equaliser in a game we’d dominated but really bored in. It clearly was the last straw for Oniki who seemed to think the way to solve our problems of not being able to score would be fixed by making the midfield more defensive. The game against Kashiwa saw us reduced to just 8 shots in 90 mins and was unbelievably dull. But we didn’t concede and this perhaps caused Oniki to feel his tactical change had been vindicated. It wasn’t exactly ideal preparation for the ACL but at least we’d remembered how to win again, even if it was very hard on the eyes.

We went into the first match guessing that it would be against our toughest opponents in the group and somehow came away with a 1-1 draw thanks to a last minute howler by the Ulsan keeper. Our defensive midfield had reduced Ulsan to only three shots in the game but tellingly one of them had gone in. And our defensive midfield had blunted our attack sufficiently that we required a late gift from Ulsan to get anything from the game. I can’t remember much about the game now, but I seem to remember that it was something of a let off as we hadn’t pulled up any trees in the game. The next game against Guangzhou allowed the second string to show the first teamers how to score goals and we went with just the one defensive midfielder. I know the opponent was of a significantly different level though. In the same match day, Johor beat Ulsan which was basically another ACL gift for us that we ultimately left unwrapped in the hotel room bin. The first game against Johor we were back to the double defensive midfield and had six shots in the whole game with none of them on target. Oniki’s first sub was a defensive one in spite of Johor looking like they probably weren’t going to score. He only used four subs even though we weren’t winning and saved the final two changes till the 85th minute despite us having only three shots a half. Oniki, this one is totally on you. And looking back this was the game that effectively put us out of the tournament. The return fixture against Johor (although it was again in the same stadium) was next and Oniki put the second string in and we smashed them. Apparently they made some changes too. Some people suggested this was to preserve their best players for their final game against Ulsan which they might have been guessing they’d need a win in. I suspect it was more something to do with their manager watching our previous match and noting quite how shit we were and imaging that he could rest players and still get an easy draw. Next up we were back to the first team for the Ulsan game and in spite of the fact that I would have thought we should have been a bit more careful in this game, Oniki went back to the attacking midfield and we conceded three goals in the first 47 minutes. We pulled one back when we were 2-0 down and scraped a second consolation goal in the 92nd minute but the game was long gone by then. Again, Oniki had been undone tactically by a team that was happy to sit back and counter attack whilst we wasted opportunity after opportunity by not being able to HIT THE FUCKING TARGET! And then we had the final game where we were through to the knockout stage as our game finished but went out with the final kick of the Ulsan Johor match. Nothing more than we deserved after only being able to score once against Guangzhou’s kids.

So yeah, I know it’s retrospectively easy to moan about Oniki’s tactics but it does seem that he always reacts one game too late and then when he does, he’ll stick with the new tactic for one game too long. There’s no way we deserved to go through if we didn’t beat Johor twice. It was a weird group though, as Johor did Ulsan twice, Ulsan almost beat us twice and we seemed to have the upper hand against Johor (apart from when it came to putting the ball in the net). I don’t think Oniki has the flexibility to navigate his way through a cup competition. In the league, perhaps our never changing style will give us broadly positive results in the end (at least up till now, 2019 season aside), but in what was basically a knockout game against Ulsan we again fluffed our lines. I say fluffed our lines but it seemed more to be a case of Oniki forgetting to write the script. I can’t see how he will ever change. It has been a problem for us for the last few years and honestly, I have no idea why more teams don’t just sit back against us. Or maybe they do, but over the course of a season we get a bit more lucky. Oniki’s changes in personnel never seem exciting. He just shuffles round the same combinations basically grasping to find one that’s not awful when it comes to attacking, but never considering changing the shape of our attack much. We have Shimizu away in the league tomorrow and go into that game five points behind Kashima who have been making hay whilst we’ve been harvesting mud in Malaysia. I can’t remember ever being as pessimistic about our chances in the league, but possibly if I revisit some 2019 blog posts I would find some equally bleak moments. Perhaps with our ACL hopes smashed we can now concentrate on the league. But to be honest when we only had the league to concentrate on at the start of the season we were pretty shite too. In spite of what some readers might think, I don’t like to be too negative about Oniki, but I can’t think anything other than the fact that he’s really made a mess of this season so far. Of course we don’t have the same players at our disposal, but even during stages of 2021 when we did have all or some of those players we were still trudging along. With injuries to Noborizato, Oshima and Chanathip being recently confirmed, I can’t see Oniki changing anything much in the upcoming games. After a big run of draws Shimizu got back to wining ways in their last match. We normally do ok against them but I just can’t be at all positive. Barring a massive change in Oniki’s approach I wonder if the best we can hope for is a 1-1 draw with a 94th minute equaliser for us, like we got when we last went to Shizuoka. It will be nice to be watching a game in person again… I think. But maybe I should take a book as there might not be much I want to actually witness happening on the pitch.


Team 
 
GK 1. Sung-Ryong JUNG
DF 16. SEKO Tatsuki
DF 3. TSUKAGAWA Koki
DF 31. YAMAMURA Kazuya
DF 25. MATSUI Renji
MF 17. KOZUKA Kazuki
MF 18. CHANATHIP
MF 19. TONO Daiya 
FW 11. KOBAYASHI Yu
FW 20. CHINEN Kei
FW 24. MIYAGI Ten

Subs
GK 27. TANNO Kenta
DF 5. TANIGUCHI Shogo (on for KOZUKA 87')
MF 8. TACHIBANADA Kento (on for CHANATHIP 14')
FW 9. LEANDRO DAMIAO
MF 14. WAKIZAKA Yasuto (on for TONO 65')
FW 23. MARCINHO (on for MIYAGI 65')
FW 26. EINAGA Takatora
FW 28. IGARASHI Taiyo
DF 30. TANABE Shuto
FW 41. IENAGA Akihiro (on for KOBAYASHI 87')
 
 
Goals
 
CHINEN (Frontale) 14' 1-0

 
Highlights
 

Monday, 18 April 2022

Vs Guangzhou FC 18/4/22 ACL Group stage match 2

Guangzhou FC 0 - 8 Kawasaki Frontale

After a bit of a dodgy performance and a late scraped win against our ACL nemesis Ulsan on Friday, a game I watched and a blog post I wrote after consuming a decent amount of mid afternoon drinks, the only way was up for both Frontale and the quality of my blog posts. I watched this game in a state of complete sobriety, but somehow it was equally difficult to focus on. On Friday there was the alcohol haze and the general malaise that our toothless performances so far this year have created. On this occasion there was very much a feeling that it was a bit of an unfair contest and it felt like a training game, albeit one with two very different level teams. Once again the Chinese teams in the ACL have brought their kids to compete in this tournament. I don’t remember people getting so annoyed about that last year, but this year the general feeling on Twitter seems to be that the competition is a farce. The amusing thing is that I saw the ‘tournament is a joke’ argument used to both support and rail against the proposed Asian Super League. So basically the one true force for good to unite opposing factions right now is the shared belief that the ACL is a farce. I think it’s a bit unfair to be honest. I’m not particularly a lover of the ACL, but I don’t think it’s very fair to judge a tournament that has a massive COVID cloud hanging over it. That’s the reason the Chinese teams are sending their kids and the reason the stadiums are empty. And that’s creating the big mis-matches with apparently no atmosphere. To be fair to the AFC though, I can’t really see how the competition could be played any other way this year when you consider the countries involved. If one of the bubbles had been in Japan the only difference would probably be that there would be a few more people in the stands and bit of clapping as there aren’t any tourists being let into Japan and is still no signing allowed. Although it is apparently possible to attend these games in Malaysia, I’m not surprised that not many Frontale fans have much appetite for travel right now. Even in Johor’s first game in the competition this year, played in their home stadium, the stands weren’t that full, so it’s no surprise that the locals don’t want to go and watch a game that kicked off five hours before their game did. But anyway, enough pontification on the competition itself and let’s get on with some in depth analysis of this match.

Ha! Got you there! You thought you were going to get in depth analysis! If you’ve read this blog before you should have known better. Instead of that, here come my usual random thoughts. The line up was a weird one. We probably expected a lot of changes, and the fact that Oniki did exactly that shows quite how weak he thought Guangzhou would be. When we’ve played university sides and J3 teams in the Emperor’s Cup in the past Oniki has often gone with his first choices so it was a real shock to see him ring the changes big time in this match. Definitely big time, as YAMANE GOT A REST! Slightly bizarrely though, Sung-Ryong was still selected. In Guangzhou’s previous match against Johor, the Chinese team had two shots in the whole game. But Oniki still wasn’t confident enough to change his keeper. Some people were talking about Hayasaka starting which I thought would have been a bit unfair on both Tanno and Ando, neither of whom have had any pitch time this year and hardly had any last year either. I feel like Hayasaka probably has to wait for them to at least have one game before he’s involved. Perhaps Oniki’s innate conservatism and caution came into play as he knew he was going to name an unusual centre back pairing so thought he’d better have Sung-Ryong in there to make sure things were safe. As it was Guangzhou had only the one shot in this game and it was off target, so Oniki could have played the injured Nobori in goal and we probably would have still been OK. The inexperienced centre back pairing ahead of them was going to be Wakizaka and Kozuka if the pre-game team line up graphic was to be believed. Definitely a case of the guys who had to make it, just shrugging their shoulders and thinking that whatever they picked would probably be wrong and just going for it. Of course that was wrong and it was instead Kurumaya and Tsukagawa. Tsukagwa actually played in defence, midfield and attack in this game, so it was quite an evening for him. He looked absolutely knackered by the end of the match. Guess he hasn’t played 90 minutes for us… erm…. ever I think. I’m not going to go into any detail about other people’s positions too much as there was quite a lot of moving around. I will say though that Seko played 90 minutes at right back, Matsui had a half, somewhat surprisingly at left back, Tanabe and Igarashi played 45 minutes at left back and up front on the right respectively and Takai got a bit more than 30 minutes at centre back. So that was all quite nice to see! The best thing about these group games against weaker teams is if we can see different players play. Chanathip got his first goal for us it was a nice one. Chinen, Kobayashi and Kurumaya (!) got braces. It was all one way traffic so it’s slightly absurd to think about what we might be able to learn from this game. Especially as the pitch was pretty awful and I have a horrible feeling that all the group stage games will be played on the same surface. (After checking this I've found it's not true. They are split half and half between two stadiums, with every game Johor is involved in being played in their home stadium and the other one in the round being played on the dodgy pitch. Nice bonus for Johor for them hosting I guess!) If it’s bad now, I’m a bit worried how bad it might become by the final match day. Oh, and the ref blew up early before the end of the allotted injury time at the end of the first half again. Is that an ACL thing, I wonder?

Next up we have Johor at 11pm Japan time on Thursday night. They beat Guangzhou 5-0 and will be kicking off against Ulsan soon. I guess we probably think that Ulsan will win that game. (THEY DIDN'T!) If they do and everything goes as expected in the other games, our fifth group stage game against them will likely decide how we do in this competition. Hopefully we’ll play a bit better in that game than we did in the previous game. If that’s another draw, we probably have the dream game to finish up the group with if we’re trying to get a better goal difference than Ulsan as the last match is the other fixture against Guangzhou. Of course there are a lot of ifs before we get to the stage though. If we do manage to get through the group safely though whilst scoring lots of goals, I hope we can bring back some of that form and confidence into our league campaign, which has been pretty underwhelming so far. The results in the first game in hand that the other teams had to make up went pretty well for us and we’re still miraculously sitting at the top of the table right now. If Kashima fail to beat Cerezo that will be the case when we return to Japan! I’d say that Cerezo owe us something for the generous gift of three points and four goals that we gave them recently so hopefully they give us a nice present back. Fingers crossed! And Go Frontale! 

Team 
 
GK 1. Sung-Ryong JUNG
DF 16. SEKO Tatsuki
DF 7. KURUMAYA Shintaro
DF 3. TSUKAGAWA Koki
DF 25. MATSUI Renji (Yellow card 10')
MF 17. KOZUKA Kazuki
MF 18. CHANATHIP
MF 14. WAKIZAKA Yasuto
FW 11. KOBAYASHI Yu
FW 20. CHINEN Kei
FW 24. MIYAGI Ten

Subs
GK 27. TANNO Kenta
DF 5. TANIGUCHI Shogo 
MF 8. TACHIBANADA Kento (on for MIYAGI 84')
FW 9. LEANDRO DAMIAO
DF 15. SASAKI Asahi
FW 19. TONO Daiya (on for KOBAYASHI 69')
FW 23. MARCINHO
FW 28. IGARASHI Taiyo (on for CHINEN 46')
DF 29. TAKAI Kouta (on for WAKIZAKA 58')
DF 30. TANABE Shuto (on for MATSUI 46')
 
Goals
 
CHINEN (Frontale) 7' 0-1
CHINEN (Frontale) 12' 0-2
KURUMAYA (Frontale) 16' 0-3
KOBAYASHI (Frontale) 21' 0-4
KOBAYASHI (Frontale) 39' 0-5
MIYAGI (Frontale) 50' 0-6
CHANATHIP (Frontale) 69' 0-7
KURUMAYA (Frontale) 71' 0-8
 
Highlights